Ethanol Fuel & 4 Cycle Motors
After reading and searching around the net way too much for my satisfaction anyway, there appears there is not any clear answer for ethanol and its effects on marine engines. I've found tons of information on what ethanol's effects and side effects are and can be but finding a clear definitive solution is evasive at best. I stumbled on this information accidentally and read it through extensively and could not find anything detrimental in applying TC-W3 Marine oil in such small quantities in my 4 stroke marine engines and automobiles. I'm hoping it will extend the life of my motors and related components allowing them a longer trouble free service life and reduce fuel related service issues. There are posts that people express positive results with all types of 4-cycle motors mentioned with the exception of boat motors, and I'd think it would also apply to them as well. Link to source will be at bottom of the page.
SARGE: I know the gasoline today is shit. Very dry and poor quality. Throw in ethanol and you got crap/corrosive gasoline. I use Fuel Power/Lucas UCL with great success in my cars and other people's cars. At the first of the year some of us "lubrication psycho's" (mainly from the aircraft industry) discussed the shit quality of gasoline and the absolute advantages of running a fuel additive with lubrication capabilities and I think the testing is now complete and the results are very good. Biggest problem we had was the proper amount but we are now satisfied this works very well and you will have a smoother running engine/more power/better MPG....so here it is.....
What we are trying to accomplish ( The deliverable s)
We need to lubricate the fuel pump/seals/injectors.
We need to clean the fuel system and scavenge water that ethanol attracts.
We need a film of protection in our fuel system to stop corrosion.
We need a cleaner for our spark plugs/valves/combustion chambers.
We need to clean the ring packs
We need to leave a film on the cylinder walls to eliminate cold start metal wear.
This was my groups short list of deliverables. Of course we knew if we accomplished this list the car should A) Run Smoother more efficiently C) Parts will last longer i.e. fuel pumps/injectors etc. D) We should see more RWHP and MPG We did it. For pennies.
2 Stroke oil. Not just any two stroke oil But we needed the detergents etc. and found the perfect oil/add packs/viscosity in a marine 2 stroke oil you can get for under $10 bucks a gallon anywhere. We used Pennzoil Marine 2 stroke for our testing. Here is the "blurb" from Pennzoil.....
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Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic
Ultimate Protection Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is designed for your hard-working, large displacement, high-horsepower 2-cycle engine. High temperature protection is necessary for higher horsepower engines. High temperatures in an engine can cause loss of lubrication, carbon deposits, piston-scuffing, and pre-ignition.
The combination of synthetic ester base oils and a premium, ashless
performance package in Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil provides
protection for high horsepower applications that require approved NMMA TC-W3® oil. Benefits: Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is recommended for use in those makes and models of water-cooled, 2-cycle engines with direct injection systems, oil injection systems or those requiring use of a pre-mix. It is recommended for and meets the warranty requirements of Johnson/Evinrude, Mercury Marine, Yamaha, Suzuki, Force/US Marine,
Mariner and others requiring NMMA TC-W3® oils. Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil Performs in extreme conditions.
Provides excellent lubricity to protect against piston- and cylinder-scuffing.
Helps protect against ring sticking, exhaust port deposits,and spark plug fouling.
Biodegradable and low aquatic toxicity.
Recommended for direct injection engines. Whether running full throttle to open water for that fishing tournament, cruising your favorite waterway, pulling a skier or racing you need an oil to protect your high-horsepower engine. Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is that oil.
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Use 1oz of the two stroke oil per 5 gallons of gas 1oz-5gallons/
2ozs - 10 gallons etc. and that is the perfect ratio. Too much and it will make your engine run worse....too little and it wont do anything.....use the proper amount.....get a little bottle and keep it in your car..... We have seen a maximum of 5% better MPG down to a minimum of 2% better MPG. All of our test mules reported much smoother idles and cruising. No smoking or ill effects. No residue on plugs our pistons....actually the opposite....we saw "cleaning".....I am now comfortable recommending this for all. I also now run this mixture in my GTO/Mercedes/Silverado and G6 with all having smoother running motors and all gaining MPG. Give it a try and let me know your experience. Follow the mixture ratio to the letter. 1 oz per 5 gallons of gas.
SARGE#40: Good man! We have over a collective 100,000 miles and 6 months testing already. Checked the cylinders ( top end piston and walls) spark plugs etc. All cleaner than they were when we
started....all reported ( including myself) smoother idles and acceleration and a increase in MPG. So nobody is a guinea pig here guys...... SARGE#53: We now are over 130,000 miles on our test mules ( collectively) with no ill side effects. All positive. Don’t forget this is really an old school
"trick"...folks have been putting in Marvel Mystery Oil and 2 Stroke
oil for decades.....what we did is fine tune it. Furthermore do not lose sight
of the fact at a 500:1 ratio ( really 1oz to 5 gallons is more like 600:1) you have less 2 stroke oil than water/chemicals that came with your gasoline. So you cannot "hurt" or degrade anything....it is all good for long term.....The reason I call for the Marine 2 Stroke oil is it is designed for and the add packs are there for water cooled motors....lower combustion ratings and detergents we were looking for. Use it with confidence. For you folks running E10....this is a must to offset the long term corrosives of the corn alcohol on your seals/gaskets/fuel rails......
Post#77: The MPG doesn't concern me so much as just wanting
my car to continue running strong for as long as possible, especially considering i run hard. Just a few questions that hopefully someone knows the answers for: What exactly is this 'stuff' that is in the gas ?
I can't always find 93 octane, so i use 91 if i have to depending on what stations i am at....does the octane affect the results of this gas/tcw3 treatment?
Is this going to mess with my tune or computer and is it necessary for a retune? Finally, this stuff in the gas...its not removed with this TCW3 treatment, just treated. So its still in there. I don't mean to question the results, as over 6 months and 100,000+ miles of testing is great, but its
ok that its still in there?
Reply SARGE#78: Never apologize for asking good questions.....unless one of your questions is can I have beer out of your stash Sarge..... the stuff in gas is everything from water to dirt/silicon/pipeline greases...what we do with the 2 stroke stuff is capture it and burn it in the combustion process versus letting it settle out in the fuel system....no negative impact on any sensors/cats/tuning.....the oil coats and protects your upper cylinder and rings....protects your fuel system...this is why some of our test mules put out lower emissions when tested than before...better compression from the ring packs getting cleaned.....more efficient means more MPG and more importantly more RWHP and longer component life. A great discovery about all this is we are getting lower wear metals from the cylinder walls being coated thus lower wear metals at start up....I just ran 500 miles and sent a sample in to the lab and got the report back today.......lowest wear metals
EVER SARGE#140: So far we ( our test folks all over) have over 6 months and well over 1 million miles of data.....average across the breadth of the car manufacturer/engine etc. is a 2% increase in MPG and a definitely smoother running engine....no negatives as of yet.... I can confirm my findings.....about a 2mph increase in the Silverado....most definitely a quieter/smoother engine.....the GTO likes it....starts quicker...a guy said on the test forum he is also seeing a quicker start and credits the oil/gas mixture with cleaner plugs and more importantly cleaner lubricated injectors.....I can't deny nor confirm that but can confirm the quicker start up and MPG increase for sure.....will keep doing it..... If you should read through the link below it will make for a lot of interesting reading if nothing else. But for pennies a gallon I for one am going to give it an try and see if I observe any improvement and results on all the 4 cycle motors in my stable.
Refrence Source Here
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Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic
Ultimate Protection Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is designed for your hard-working, large displacement, high-horsepower 2-cycle engine. High temperature protection is necessary for higher horsepower engines. High temperatures in an engine can cause loss of lubrication, carbon deposits, piston-scuffing, and pre-ignition.
The combination of synthetic ester base oils and a premium, ashless
performance package in Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil provides
protection for high horsepower applications that require approved NMMA TC-W3® oil. Benefits: Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is recommended for use in those makes and models of water-cooled, 2-cycle engines with direct injection systems, oil injection systems or those requiring use of a pre-mix. It is recommended for and meets the warranty requirements of Johnson/Evinrude, Mercury Marine, Yamaha, Suzuki, Force/US Marine,
Mariner and others requiring NMMA TC-W3® oils. Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil Performs in extreme conditions.
Provides excellent lubricity to protect against piston- and cylinder-scuffing.
Helps protect against ring sticking, exhaust port deposits,and spark plug fouling.
Biodegradable and low aquatic toxicity.
Recommended for direct injection engines. Whether running full throttle to open water for that fishing tournament, cruising your favorite waterway, pulling a skier or racing you need an oil to protect your high-horsepower engine. Pennzoil Marine® Full Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil is that oil.
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Use 1oz of the two stroke oil per 5 gallons of gas 1oz-5gallons/
2ozs - 10 gallons etc. and that is the perfect ratio. Too much and it will make your engine run worse....too little and it wont do anything.....use the proper amount.....get a little bottle and keep it in your car..... We have seen a maximum of 5% better MPG down to a minimum of 2% better MPG. All of our test mules reported much smoother idles and cruising. No smoking or ill effects. No residue on plugs our pistons....actually the opposite....we saw "cleaning".....I am now comfortable recommending this for all. I also now run this mixture in my GTO/Mercedes/Silverado and G6 with all having smoother running motors and all gaining MPG. Give it a try and let me know your experience. Follow the mixture ratio to the letter. 1 oz per 5 gallons of gas.
SARGE#40: Good man! We have over a collective 100,000 miles and 6 months testing already. Checked the cylinders ( top end piston and walls) spark plugs etc. All cleaner than they were when we
started....all reported ( including myself) smoother idles and acceleration and a increase in MPG. So nobody is a guinea pig here guys...... SARGE#53: We now are over 130,000 miles on our test mules ( collectively) with no ill side effects. All positive. Don’t forget this is really an old school
"trick"...folks have been putting in Marvel Mystery Oil and 2 Stroke
oil for decades.....what we did is fine tune it. Furthermore do not lose sight
of the fact at a 500:1 ratio ( really 1oz to 5 gallons is more like 600:1) you have less 2 stroke oil than water/chemicals that came with your gasoline. So you cannot "hurt" or degrade anything....it is all good for long term.....The reason I call for the Marine 2 Stroke oil is it is designed for and the add packs are there for water cooled motors....lower combustion ratings and detergents we were looking for. Use it with confidence. For you folks running E10....this is a must to offset the long term corrosives of the corn alcohol on your seals/gaskets/fuel rails......
Post#77: The MPG doesn't concern me so much as just wanting
my car to continue running strong for as long as possible, especially considering i run hard. Just a few questions that hopefully someone knows the answers for: What exactly is this 'stuff' that is in the gas ?
I can't always find 93 octane, so i use 91 if i have to depending on what stations i am at....does the octane affect the results of this gas/tcw3 treatment?
Is this going to mess with my tune or computer and is it necessary for a retune? Finally, this stuff in the gas...its not removed with this TCW3 treatment, just treated. So its still in there. I don't mean to question the results, as over 6 months and 100,000+ miles of testing is great, but its
ok that its still in there?
Reply SARGE#78: Never apologize for asking good questions.....unless one of your questions is can I have beer out of your stash Sarge..... the stuff in gas is everything from water to dirt/silicon/pipeline greases...what we do with the 2 stroke stuff is capture it and burn it in the combustion process versus letting it settle out in the fuel system....no negative impact on any sensors/cats/tuning.....the oil coats and protects your upper cylinder and rings....protects your fuel system...this is why some of our test mules put out lower emissions when tested than before...better compression from the ring packs getting cleaned.....more efficient means more MPG and more importantly more RWHP and longer component life. A great discovery about all this is we are getting lower wear metals from the cylinder walls being coated thus lower wear metals at start up....I just ran 500 miles and sent a sample in to the lab and got the report back today.......lowest wear metals
EVER SARGE#140: So far we ( our test folks all over) have over 6 months and well over 1 million miles of data.....average across the breadth of the car manufacturer/engine etc. is a 2% increase in MPG and a definitely smoother running engine....no negatives as of yet.... I can confirm my findings.....about a 2mph increase in the Silverado....most definitely a quieter/smoother engine.....the GTO likes it....starts quicker...a guy said on the test forum he is also seeing a quicker start and credits the oil/gas mixture with cleaner plugs and more importantly cleaner lubricated injectors.....I can't deny nor confirm that but can confirm the quicker start up and MPG increase for sure.....will keep doing it..... If you should read through the link below it will make for a lot of interesting reading if nothing else. But for pennies a gallon I for one am going to give it an try and see if I observe any improvement and results on all the 4 cycle motors in my stable.
Refrence Source Here
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Tags: gas Outboard Inboard TC-W3 Ethanol
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